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Sticky Topic Muck Notice - This is an Archive - moosebugs - (0) - 03/09/03 11:56 PM
Hot Topic w/ No New Posts Biblical defenses of SS should be abandoned - GregK - (113) - 03/10/03 11:29 AM
    Wait, it sounds like you're saying.... - Goldberry of Withywindle - 02/26/03 07:04 PM
       There is that possibility - GregK - 02/26/03 10:04 PM
    Nice try, but. . . - Ambrosiaster - 02/26/03 08:58 PM
       That's completely irrelevant - GregK - 02/26/03 10:23 PM
          Re: That's completely irrelevant - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 01:19 AM
             Define it, then - GregK - 02/27/03 10:38 AM
                Well, as soon as the Roman Catholic Church... - Johnny Wockenfuss - 02/27/03 12:03 PM
                   More irrelevant stuff - GregK - 02/27/03 12:58 PM
                   Here we go again... - 007William - 03/01/03 10:37 PM
                      Actually, the reason it's germane... - Johnny Wockenfuss - 03/03/03 01:49 PM
                Re: Define it, then - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 01:52 PM
                   2nd down and short yardage ... - GregK - 02/27/03 02:12 PM
                      Actualy Greg, - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 04:58 PM
                         As you are new to the board ... - JohnCallaghan - 02/27/03 09:15 PM
                            Re: As you are new to the board ... - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 11:55 PM
                               Cha ... Ching - jetbrane - 02/28/03 12:09 AM
                               Are you ever going to whip out the Definition? - Herr Doktor Logiker - 02/28/03 07:51 AM
                                  Re: Are you ever going to whip out the Definition? - Hilasterion - 02/28/03 11:38 AM
                                     Keep it to yourself then! - Herr Doktor Logiker - 02/28/03 10:22 PM
                                        Here's one you can use until something better arrives. - ovbc - 02/28/03 11:53 PM
                                           The question in BCO - for Steve - Perisseuo - 03/01/03 08:55 AM
                                              It's a persnickety distinction. - ovbc - 03/01/03 03:53 PM
                                           That presupposes perspicuity. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/01/03 10:45 AM
                                              Indeed it does. - ovbc - 03/01/03 03:48 PM
                                                 Perspicuity may imply revelation, but.... - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/01/03 08:34 PM
                                              Re: That presupposes perspicuity. - Hilasterion - 03/01/03 09:25 PM
                                                 Tell me what it means then. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/01/03 10:00 PM
                                                    Re: Tell me what it means then. - Hilasterion - 03/01/03 11:05 PM
                                        Re: Keep it to yourself then! - Hilasterion - 03/01/03 12:27 AM
                                           I did not ask an insincere question. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/01/03 10:37 AM
                                              Re: I did not ask an insincere question. - Hilasterion - 03/01/03 09:21 PM
                                                 You have repelled Greg. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/01/03 10:09 PM
                                                    How does one win a debate... - Hilasterion - 03/01/03 11:17 PM
                                              Some mountains are closer than others, and not very big... - Hilasterion - 03/01/03 10:09 PM
                                     What's your point??? - 007William - 03/01/03 11:27 PM
                                        Re: What's your point??? - Hilasterion - 03/01/03 11:49 PM
                                           Just as I thought...pointless! - 007William - 03/02/03 12:08 AM
                                              You are entitled to your opinion - Hilasterion - 03/02/03 03:02 PM
                               Not only punting ... - GregK - 02/28/03 09:01 AM
                                  Don't take it personally Greg... - Hilasterion - 02/28/03 11:53 AM
                                     Not likely - GregK - 02/28/03 12:22 PM
                            Re: As you are new to the board ... - calvinknox1647(d) - 02/28/03 01:31 AM
                            What he said! - 007William - 03/01/03 10:52 PM
                   Point made... - 007William - 03/01/03 10:49 PM
                      I don't know if you're speaking to me... - Hilasterion - 03/01/03 11:38 PM
                How about we use.... - Goldberry of Withywindle - 02/27/03 05:40 PM
                   Once again, take your pick - GregK - 02/27/03 05:52 PM
                      Then if that's the case.... - Goldberry of Withywindle - 02/28/03 11:14 AM
                         Re: Then if that's the case.... - Hilasterion - 02/28/03 11:43 AM
                            Well, I agree. - Goldberry of Withywindle - 03/04/03 12:05 PM
                         I'm not following you - GregK - 02/28/03 12:27 PM
                            But they al say the same thing. - Hilasterion - 02/28/03 03:53 PM
                               Hogwash. There are obviously differences. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/02/03 03:36 PM
                                  I too read the pages... - Hilasterion - 03/02/03 07:43 PM
                                     You must be a Roman Catholic.... - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/02/03 08:01 PM
                                        Let's start over... - Hilasterion - 03/03/03 01:59 AM
                                           Let bygones be bygones! - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/03/03 07:50 AM
                                              So... where do you want to start? NT - Hilasterion - 03/03/03 01:09 PM
                                                 That's another matter entirely! - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/03/03 01:16 PM
                                                    Okie-doke NT - Hilasterion - 03/03/03 02:25 PM
          You are serious - Ambrosiaster - 02/27/03 09:08 PM
       OK, you've piqued my curiosity. . . - cparks - 02/27/03 01:41 AM
          Re: OK, you've piqued my curiosity. . . - AsinusSpinasMasticans - 02/27/03 01:27 PM
          Because of the special gifts the Lord gave him - Ambrosiaster - 02/27/03 08:52 PM
          Because of the special gifts the Lord gave him - Ambrosiaster - 02/27/03 08:56 PM
             Mostly agree - GregK - 02/27/03 09:12 PM
                Re: Mostly agree - II Paradox II - 02/27/03 11:13 PM
                Re: Mostly agree - Ambrosiaster - 02/27/03 11:36 PM
                   In Ephesus, after Paul was in Berea - GregK - 02/28/03 09:07 AM
    Re: Biblical defenses of SS should be abandoned - Romans45 - 02/27/03 01:36 AM
       Here's what's silly - GregK - 02/27/03 10:42 AM
          Oh, I see ... - Romans45 - 02/27/03 11:33 AM
             Glad we agree - GregK - 02/27/03 11:59 AM
                Wait a minute - jetbrane - 02/27/03 01:24 PM
                   Re: Wait a minute - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 02:02 PM
                      OK Hil - jetbrane - 02/27/03 02:29 PM
                Re: Glad we agree (Almost) - Ambrosiaster - 02/27/03 09:29 PM
                   Indeed John... - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 09:59 PM
                   Re: Glad we agree (Almost) - Romans45 - 02/27/03 11:50 PM
                   In principle vs. in practice - GregK - 02/28/03 09:14 AM
                      Re: In principle vs. in practice - Hilasterion - 02/28/03 05:01 PM
                         Only Scripture is "God-breathed"? - Nat Whilk - 03/08/03 01:50 PM
                            Re: Only Scripture is "God-breathed"? - Hilasterion - 03/08/03 02:41 PM
                               Inspiration - theophan(d) - 03/10/03 11:29 AM
    SS is the only option for realists. - ovbc - 02/27/03 10:28 AM
       That may be - GregK - 02/27/03 10:46 AM
          No problem. - ovbc - 02/27/03 12:21 PM
             Thanks - GregK - 02/27/03 01:08 PM
                Extrabiblical sources. - ovbc - 02/27/03 02:35 PM
                   I can go for "normally" - GregK - 03/01/03 09:02 PM
                      This shifts the discussion to "sufficiency." - ovbc - 03/02/03 07:13 AM
                         You're right about that - GregK - 03/02/03 10:25 AM
    Then, No Biblically Based --Attacks-- on SS - AsinusSpinasMasticans - 02/27/03 01:22 PM
       I agree - GregK - 02/27/03 02:14 PM
    Re: Biblical defenses of SS should be abandoned - jetbrane - 02/27/03 01:49 PM
       But This is a LOGICAL defense, not a BIBLICAL one - AsinusSpinasMasticans - 02/27/03 01:51 PM
          You mean logic isn't Biblical? - jetbrane - 02/27/03 02:00 PM
             Something Can Be True Without Being Taught In Scripture - AsinusSpinasMasticans - 02/27/03 02:13 PM
                Nothing can be true unless it is seen in light of Scripture - jetbrane - 02/27/03 02:26 PM
                   What on earth do you mean by this? - AsinusSpinasMasticans - 02/27/03 02:52 PM
                      You guessed it ... therefore I will save you the blizzard - jetbrane - 02/27/03 03:05 PM
    Carry on -- edited - GregK - 02/28/03 07:40 PM
       Perish forbid Greg - Hilasterion - 03/01/03 09:28 PM
    Ad Fontes - Ambrosiaster - 02/28/03 07:49 PM
       Depends - GregK - 03/01/03 02:15 PM
          Re: Depends - Ambrosiaster - 03/01/03 05:27 PM
             No problem - GregK - 03/01/03 05:47 PM
                I try - Ambrosiaster - 03/03/03 09:06 PM
             Re: Depends - Hilasterion - 03/01/03 09:35 PM
    SS during a time of special revelation - AsinusSpinasMasticans - 03/04/03 07:54 PM
       Re: SS during a time of special revelation - Hilasterion - 03/04/03 11:21 PM
          I'm not RC, but not Reformed either - AsinusSpinasMasticans - 03/05/03 09:25 AM
    Arguments form one Church Father on SS should be accepted - jetbrane - 03/07/03 12:02 PM
Calvin: 1 Cor 3:5-9 & Distortions of Trent - Dave G Armstrong - (10) - 03/07/03 05:09 PM
    Matthew Henry on 1 Cor 3:5-9 - Dave G Armstrong - 02/27/03 06:44 PM
    You are the one who issued the challenge, DA... - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 08:27 PM
       looking forward to geoff's reply - Dave G Armstrong - 02/28/03 03:58 PM
          just to clarify - geoffrobinson - 03/03/03 09:44 AM
             I'm waiting. No problem - Dave G Armstrong - 03/04/03 07:25 PM
    response to your response - geoffrobinson - 03/05/03 03:48 PM
       Calvin's errors; also agreement tho - Dave G Armstrong - 03/05/03 09:37 PM
          Give it up DA - Hilasterion - 03/05/03 11:37 PM
          Inflated Ego's need not apply ... No room left with DA here - jetbrane - 03/06/03 01:01 AM
          my intention - geoffrobinson - 03/07/03 05:09 PM
Perseverence of the saints vs. "once-saved-always saved - Retro Rosco III - (5) - 03/07/03 04:27 PM
    Re: Perseverence of the saints vs. "once-saved-always s - Ambrosiaster - 03/01/03 05:34 PM
       Re: Perseverence of the saints vs. "once-saved-always s - Retro Rosco III - 03/03/03 03:25 PM
          right - "easy believism" and such - joesnuff - 03/03/03 05:58 PM
          Re: Perseverence of the saints vs. "once-saved-always s - Ambrosiaster - 03/03/03 08:59 PM
             You might want to look at it in light of John 10. - REVJAB - 03/07/03 04:27 PM
Original sin and St Paul - for reflection - theophan(d) - (5) - 03/06/03 09:48 PM
    The man clearly knows what he believes. - ovbc - 03/06/03 04:53 PM
       I take it you read the whole essay - theophan(d) - 03/06/03 05:25 PM
       Deleted - Nevski - 03/06/03 08:04 PM
       I don't think that's quite it, Steve - Nevski - 03/06/03 08:06 PM
          Re: I don't think that's quite it, Steve - Ambrosiaster - 03/06/03 09:48 PM
Hot Topic w/ No New Posts An actual exegesis of 1Co. 3:5-9... - Hilasterion - (42) - 03/06/03 01:18 PM
    Re: An actual exegesis of 1Co. 3:5-9... - Ambrosiaster - 02/27/03 09:50 PM
       Great stuff John! Thanks! (NT) - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 09:55 PM
    Re: An actual exegesis of 1Co. 3:5-9... - calvinknox1647(d) - 02/28/03 02:24 AM
    90% exegesis, 10% denial - theophan(d) - 02/28/03 11:52 AM
       Re: 90% exegesis, 10% denial - Hilasterion - 02/28/03 12:04 PM
          Re: 90% exegesis, 10% denial - theophan(d) - 02/28/03 01:05 PM
             Re: 90% exegesis, 10% denial - Hilasterion - 02/28/03 04:11 PM
       Wait a minute.... - Jimborewski - 02/28/03 12:23 PM
          Re: Wait a minute.... - theophan(d) - 02/28/03 11:20 PM
             Re: Wait a minute.... - Jimborewski - 03/03/03 12:19 PM
                Re: Wait a minute.... - theophan(d) - 03/03/03 01:01 PM
                   Re: Wait a minute.... - jetbrane - 03/03/03 05:46 PM
             Re: Wait a minute.... - jetbrane - 03/03/03 05:52 PM
       90% exegesis, 10% Cathodox Works denial - jetbrane - 02/28/03 12:47 PM
       Excuse me. . . ? - Ambrosiaster - 02/28/03 07:20 PM
          You're making my point - theophan(d) - 02/28/03 11:16 PM
             Not really - Ambrosiaster - 03/01/03 12:09 PM
                Both of your statements are true <nt> - theophan(d) - 03/01/03 01:00 PM
                   Re: Both of your statements are true - Unregistered(d) - 03/03/03 01:01 PM
       Theophan, I'm curious ....edited* - Unregistered(d) - 03/03/03 08:31 PM
          Re: Theophan, I'm curious .... - theophan(d) - 03/03/03 11:05 PM
             The "S" word.... - Unregistered(d) - 03/04/03 12:15 PM
                Read Athanasius and give us your thoughts <nt> - theophan(d) - 03/04/03 12:28 PM
                   it's quite good - geoffrobinson - 03/04/03 12:38 PM
                Don't worry about me! - Hilasterion - 03/04/03 01:22 PM
                   Don't flatter yourself - theophan(d) - 03/04/03 02:17 PM
                      I don't need to, the evidence says it all. - Hilasterion - 03/04/03 05:31 PM
                         Whatever - theophan(d) - 03/04/03 05:36 PM
                            How can we get anywhere... - Hilasterion - 03/04/03 05:49 PM
                               I have to wonder about your motive - theophan(d) - 03/04/03 06:03 PM
                                  Did I miss something? - Hilasterion - 03/04/03 06:34 PM
                               I sure found that true ... if you can't beat em ignore em - jetbrane - 03/04/03 07:36 PM
             All right Theophan, you sneak, - Unregistered(d) - 03/04/03 04:07 PM
                No sneak..... - theophan(d) - 03/04/03 05:33 PM
                   You're not a sneak? - Unregistered(d) - 03/04/03 10:14 PM
                      Depends on who you ask - theophan(d) - 03/05/03 12:45 AM
                         No - idelette0 - 03/05/03 03:16 PM
                            Why? - theophan(d) - 03/05/03 09:21 PM
                               Common error - Hilasterion - 03/05/03 11:33 PM
                                  A more common error - theophan(d) - 03/06/03 11:24 AM
                                     Re: A more common error - Hilasterion - 03/06/03 01:18 PM
    Where is DA? - Hilasterion - 03/04/03 10:05 AM
Hot Topic w/ No New Posts Ro 5:17-19 is dispositive of the RC view of justification. - ovbc - (40) - 03/06/03 12:57 PM
    I won't answer for Adam - theophan(d) - 03/03/03 05:17 PM
       Re: I won't answer for Adam - Hilasterion - 03/03/03 07:32 PM
       You suffer condemnation with Adam. No? - ovbc - 03/03/03 08:55 PM
          Re: You suffer condemnation with Adam. No? - theophan(d) - 03/03/03 10:03 PM
             Not quite right, I don't think. - The Clinging Vine - 03/03/03 11:38 PM
                A possible problem - theophan(d) - 03/04/03 12:18 AM
                   It only seems so - Hilasterion - 03/04/03 12:48 AM
                   Well, that's right. It was Adam's sin that was imputed.... - The Clinging Vine - 03/04/03 12:57 AM
                      Okay - theophan(d) - 03/04/03 09:50 AM
                         I'll allow others more adept in theology than I . . . - The Clinging Vine - 03/04/03 10:10 AM
                            Re: I'll allow others more adept in theology than I . . . - theophan(d) - 03/04/03 12:23 PM
                         Re: Okay - Hilasterion - 03/04/03 01:40 PM
                         I think I see a root of the disagreement. - ovbc - 03/04/03 05:27 PM
                   Just thinking aloud here... - ovbc - 03/04/03 01:21 AM
                      I'm basically in agreement - theophan(d) - 03/04/03 12:50 PM
             Well... death is personal. - ovbc - 03/03/03 11:48 PM
                Those not embracing Forensic categories will never agree - jetbrane - 03/03/03 11:56 PM
    A weak summary... - Symeon - 03/04/03 12:15 PM
       I don't think I understand your question. - ovbc - 03/04/03 04:53 PM
          All men <> Believers Only... - Symeon - 03/04/03 06:35 PM
             I see. All means "all of the class in view in the cont - ovbc - 03/04/03 07:37 PM
             so you believe universalism? - geoffrobinson - 03/05/03 01:28 PM
                Oddly... - Symeon - 03/06/03 10:08 AM
                   Objection, your Honor. - ovbc - 03/06/03 11:03 AM
                      I am done... - Symeon - 03/06/03 12:50 PM
                         Maybe "common grace" wasn't the best term. - ovbc - 03/06/03 12:57 PM
    Re: Ro 5:17-19 is dispositive of the RC view of justificatio - Dave G Armstrong - 03/04/03 08:51 PM
       This won't address everything it should. - ovbc - 03/05/03 11:27 AM
          Also, quickly, - Jimborewski - 03/05/03 12:09 PM
             Excellent reminder, Jimbo. - ovbc - 03/05/03 05:43 PM
          The Three Tenses of Justification in Scripture - Dave G Armstrong - 03/05/03 01:27 PM
             The Biblical Evidence for Original Sin - Dave G Armstrong - 03/05/03 01:39 PM
             Re: The Three Tenses of Justification in Scripture - Jimborewski - 03/05/03 02:41 PM
                Thanx 4 the dialogue - Dave G Armstrong - 03/05/03 03:25 PM
             Re: The Three Tenses of Justification in Scripture - Hilasterion - 03/05/03 02:42 PM
             Fair enough. - ovbc - 03/05/03 06:13 PM
    Sets and Sub-sets - theophan(d) - 03/05/03 12:27 PM
       The text identifies separate groupings of humanity. - ovbc - 03/05/03 11:35 PM
          No the text doesn't... - Symeon - 03/06/03 10:39 AM
             We're at an impasse, then. - ovbc - 03/06/03 12:33 PM
Ligon Duncan ... Wright is wrong on Justification - jetbrane - (7) - 03/06/03 11:52 AM
    Thanks Bret,... food for thought. - Unregistered(d) - 03/04/03 10:29 PM
    If anyone has wanted an explanation-in-a-nutshell . . . - The Clinging Vine - 03/05/03 01:30 AM
    More food for thought: - Unregistered(d) - 03/05/03 02:11 AM
    Would NPP and Shepherd supporters agree? - Johnny Wockenfuss - 03/05/03 03:51 PM
       Re: Would NPP and Shepherd supporters agree? - Jimborewski - 03/05/03 04:13 PM
          Re: Would NPP and Shepherd supporters agree? *Edited - Unregistered(d) - 03/05/03 04:40 PM
             I'm not really arguing whether or not they're seperable - Johnny Wockenfuss - 03/06/03 11:52 AM
Hot Topic w/ No New Posts You Mean Greg Doesn't Like This [link]?? - REVJAB - (37) - 03/05/03 09:41 AM
    HEY JACK ... Thanks for that Great link - jetbrane - 02/24/03 11:02 AM
    I love how White framed this question . . . - The Clinging Vine - 02/24/03 11:36 AM
       Simple Answer - JohnCallaghan - 02/24/03 12:45 PM
          That is NOT what the quote says. - Jimborewski - 02/24/03 01:10 PM
             How about this? - wormjacob - 02/24/03 03:29 PM
                Re: How about this? - Ambrosiaster - 02/24/03 08:10 PM
             Then what does the quote mean? - JohnCallaghan - 02/25/03 01:33 AM
                Interesting analogy, but - GildaVi - 02/25/03 02:44 AM
                   The surveyor is also the caretaker... - JohnCallaghan - 02/25/03 03:33 AM
                      But the builder has promised - GildaVi - 02/25/03 04:56 AM
       That was a really stupid question. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/03/03 01:26 PM
          Re: That was a really stupid question. - jetbrane - 03/03/03 06:04 PM
             If both you and White are right.... - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/03/03 06:46 PM
          Re: That was a really stupid question. - Hilasterion - 03/03/03 07:27 PM
             Someone must define the extent and meaning of scripture. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/03/03 07:46 PM
                You have not made your point. - Hilasterion - 03/03/03 11:40 PM
                   You commit a grave logical fallacy. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/04/03 07:01 AM
                      Please no sophistry. - Hilasterion - 03/04/03 09:22 AM
                         This is pointless. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/04/03 10:21 AM
                            What is the problem Herr Doktor? - Hilasterion - 03/04/03 10:38 AM
                Since the Doktor won't do it.... - Hilasterion - 03/05/03 09:41 AM
    Particularly Poignant - Paterculus - 02/24/03 01:33 PM
       Forgive Me For Pointing Out The Obvious - AsinusSpinasMasticans - 02/24/03 02:15 PM
          Re: Forgive Me For Pointing Out The Obvious - GildaVi - 02/24/03 05:56 PM
    Thanks for the link - Ambrosiaster - 02/24/03 07:57 PM
    I like the Edit Jack. - Jimborewski - 02/27/03 04:45 PM
    Greg may justifiably not like James White - The Gnu - 02/28/03 01:43 PM
       Speak the truth in love - jetbrane - 02/28/03 01:53 PM
       James White is my buddy - GregK - 02/28/03 02:46 PM
          Funny thing about this is... - Retro Rosco III - 02/28/03 03:20 PM
             Re: Funny thing about this is... - Hilasterion - 03/01/03 09:39 PM
          Then do him a favor... - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/03/03 06:50 PM
             Your error is dealt with above. - Hilasterion - 03/03/03 07:28 PM
                Hardly! - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/03/03 07:53 PM
                   That is a hollow assertion. See above. - Hilasterion - 03/03/03 11:42 PM
                      Hogwash! - Herr Doktor Logiker - 03/04/03 07:03 AM
                         Re: Hogwash! - Jimborewski - 03/04/03 11:36 AM
Brief exposition of 1 Cor 3:5-9 - ovbc - (1) - 03/04/03 08:11 PM
    Rather Than Treat Everything As A Polemic, - AsinusSpinasMasticans - 03/04/03 08:11 PM
Plantinga's Possible Worlds Ontological Argument - Dave G Armstrong - (1) - 03/01/03 01:56 AM
    Developing Plantinga's argument a bit - Dave G Armstrong - 03/01/03 01:56 AM
video Calvinists and Lutherans will love :) - Tron4JC - (0) - 02/28/03 06:13 PM
Lawrence v. Texas - quickbeam of fangorn - (2) - 02/28/03 01:32 PM
    I ran a poll on this last month. - JohnCallaghan - 02/28/03 01:29 PM
       Thanks John - quickbeam of fangorn - 02/28/03 01:32 PM
Hot Topic w/ No New Posts 1 Cor 3:9 & Man's Cooperation w/ God - Dave G Armstrong - (97) - 02/28/03 12:53 PM
    I think the issue you've raised isn't even an issue, - ovbc - 02/22/03 04:56 PM
       What cooperation achieves - theophan(d) - 02/22/03 06:24 PM
       Re: I think the issue you've raised isn't even an issue, - jetbrane - 02/22/03 06:46 PM
       Re: I think the issue you've raised isn't even an issue, - Dave G Armstrong - 02/23/03 12:59 AM
          I'd say he meant... - ovbc - 02/23/03 09:31 AM
             Salvation as process - Dave G Armstrong - 02/24/03 12:33 AM
                My list of verses is longer then your list of verses - jetbrane - 02/24/03 01:52 AM
                   Excellent! Let's examine your prooftexts closely - Dave G Armstrong - 02/25/03 03:57 PM
                      This isn't "counter exegesis" Dave. - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 01:07 AM
                         Examining DA Eisegesis ... Remember - jetbrane - 02/27/03 07:56 AM
                            More DA Eisegesis - jetbrane - 02/27/03 09:07 AM
                         Mammoth posts & pseudo-exegesis - Dave G Armstrong - 02/27/03 02:42 PM
                            Why should Hil do again when you have already been smoked? - jetbrane - 02/27/03 02:47 PM
                            Re: Mammoth posts & pseudo-exegesis - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 04:48 PM
                               Go in peace, then nt - Dave G Armstrong - 02/27/03 06:18 PM
                                  I guess then we can see.. - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 08:20 PM
                The indicative and the imperative - GildaVi - 02/24/03 08:15 AM
                   Re: The indicative and the imperative - aragorn10027 - 02/25/03 09:50 AM
                So, you're telling me... - ovbc - 02/24/03 08:42 AM
                   "Knowing" one has eternal life - Dave G Armstrong - 02/25/03 01:45 PM
                      However that is not what the bible teaches - idelette0 - 02/25/03 02:58 PM
                      Let me try to clarify my question. - ovbc - 02/25/03 04:00 PM
                         If I may (speaking for myself) - theophan(d) - 02/25/03 05:21 PM
                            I say John 15 can not contradict John 6 and John 10 - jetbrane - 02/25/03 05:52 PM
                               Is this supposed to be an attempt at rebuttal? <nt> - theophan(d) - 02/26/03 09:08 AM
                                  Nope ... but I only have so many fingers to type with - jetbrane - 02/27/03 10:27 AM
                            I'm asking this because I don't know your position. - ovbc - 02/26/03 12:55 PM
                               Re: I'm asking this because I don't know your position. - theophan(d) - 02/26/03 02:14 PM
                            Re: If I may (speaking for myself) - jetbrane - 02/27/03 10:35 AM
                               Pretty sad - theophan(d) - 02/27/03 07:24 PM
                                  Sad indeed - jetbrane - 02/27/03 08:01 PM
                                  A hateful barb - wormjacob - 02/28/03 11:02 AM
                                     A hateful barb with loving designs - jetbrane - 02/28/03 11:22 AM
                                        Hey Bret, I grew up on a farm too.... - wormjacob - 02/28/03 11:37 AM
                                           Re: Hey Bret, I grew up on a farm too.... - jetbrane - 02/28/03 12:53 PM
                         Re: Let me try to clarify my question. - Dave G Armstrong - 02/25/03 07:02 PM
                            Respectfully, Dave, that still doesn't address the issue. - ovbc - 02/25/03 08:35 PM
                               I'll try again, then! - Dave G Armstrong - 02/26/03 05:07 PM
                                  Thanks -- that answers my question. - ovbc - 02/26/03 07:04 PM
                                     Thanks for your reply (and amiability) - Dave G Armstrong - 02/26/03 07:31 PM
                                     Detecting a critical misunderstanding - theophan(d) - 02/26/03 08:01 PM
                                        Life eternal. - ovbc - 02/26/03 09:52 PM
                                           Re: Life eternal. - theophan(d) - 02/27/03 12:44 AM
                                              Why do you say that love must be free? - ovbc - 02/27/03 10:16 AM
                                                 Excellent post, Steve! - The Clinging Vine - 02/27/03 10:48 AM
                                                 Re: Why do you say that love must be free? - theophan(d) - 02/27/03 12:07 PM
                      Re: "Knowing" one has eternal life - jetbrane - 02/25/03 04:27 PM
                         Mortal and venial sin - Dave G Armstrong - 02/25/03 07:41 PM
                            1John 5:16 - Hilasterion - 02/25/03 10:46 PM
                               Thank you, Hilasterion - GildaVi - 02/26/03 05:36 AM
                               There's a fourth possibility. - ovbc - 02/26/03 10:33 AM
                                  Just curious - theophan(d) - 02/26/03 10:42 AM
                                     Who cares if it is in the Fathers? And what is a Father? - jetbrane - 02/26/03 11:40 AM
                                        Duh? - theophan(d) - 02/26/03 12:09 PM
                                           Oh Please ...You never had any confidence in me to begin w/ - jetbrane - 02/26/03 12:24 PM
                                        A guy who has a kid - Dave G Armstrong - 02/26/03 05:27 PM
                                           A Kid only cares if the Father is a good Father - jetbrane - 02/27/03 10:10 AM
                                     That would be a negative. - ovbc - 02/26/03 12:48 PM
                                        Re: That would be a negative. - theophan(d) - 02/26/03 01:42 PM
                                  I had not heard... - Hilasterion - 02/26/03 05:30 PM
                               Re: 1John 5:16 - Dave G Armstrong - 02/26/03 05:25 PM
                                  Re: 1John 5:16 - Hilasterion - 02/26/03 06:05 PM
                                     Well, we are at an impasse, then - Dave G Armstrong - 02/26/03 07:04 PM
                                        It is odd... - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 12:51 AM
                            Re: Mortal and venial sin - jetbrane - 02/27/03 07:01 AM
                Biblical Understanding Of DA offered texts - jetbrane - 02/24/03 10:35 AM
                   Poor exegesis - theophan(d) - 02/24/03 11:41 AM
                      No desperation here - jetbrane - 02/24/03 11:49 AM
                   What does "Romishly" mean? Is it grammatical? - Dave G Armstrong - 02/25/03 03:24 AM
                      Re: What does "Romishly" mean? Is it grammatical? - GildaVi - 02/25/03 05:06 AM
                      Romishly ... the opposite of Reformishly - jetbrane - 02/25/03 06:28 AM
                   Context & Consistent Cross-References (Assurance) - Dave G Armstrong - 02/25/03 06:53 PM
                      Response Pt. 1 - jetbrane - 02/26/03 03:27 AM
                         *U* talking about VOLUME? LOL I have 4 children - Dave G Armstrong - 02/26/03 05:42 PM
                         Re: Response Pt. 1 - Dave G Armstrong - 02/26/03 06:05 PM
                            Re: Response Pt. 1 - jetbrane - 02/27/03 10:18 AM
                               Strictly speaking - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 11:27 AM
                                  OK ... since people know where I am at ... I will quit - jetbrane - 02/27/03 11:32 AM
                      Hey DA while your waiting for me to respond go ahead and - jetbrane - 02/26/03 03:33 AM
                         No thanks. I'll stick to the Bible & our dialogue - Dave G Armstrong - 02/26/03 05:39 PM
    here you go - geoffrobinson - 02/25/03 10:08 AM
       do you want to interact with this? - geoffrobinson - 02/26/03 08:41 AM
          I'm guessing your post got orphaned. - ovbc - 02/26/03 12:58 PM
             I long for the good old days of RYM formatting <nt> - theophan(d) - 02/26/03 02:16 PM
                That formatting was the best. - ovbc - 02/26/03 03:40 PM
       I'm interested in comparative exegesis - Dave G Armstrong - 02/26/03 05:36 PM
          Re: I'm interested in comparative exegesis - Hilasterion - 02/26/03 06:21 PM
             How to do comparative exegesis - Dave G Armstrong - 02/26/03 07:53 PM
          no, you need to interact with dead guys - geoffrobinson - 02/27/03 08:21 AM
             I agree that - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 09:24 AM
                I agree that the Fathers should be taken into account - jetbrane - 02/27/03 10:22 AM
             Ok, here's a proposal for you - Dave G Armstrong - 02/27/03 03:56 PM
                Now DA how could you have questions about Reformed - jetbrane - 02/27/03 04:20 PM
                Re: Ok, here's a proposal for you - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 04:52 PM
                it's a deal with the following conditions - geoffrobinson - 02/27/03 06:23 PM
                   Sounds perfect to me! - Dave G Armstrong - 02/27/03 06:36 PM
          Last installment against DA heterdoxy - jetbrane - 02/27/03 10:05 AM
Grammatical Over-interpretation (Your Thoughts) - Vogon Poet - (22) - 02/28/03 09:42 AM
    Re: Grammatical Over-interpretation (Your Thoughts) - Jimborewski - 02/11/03 02:15 PM
    Comments? Nothing very articulate, but... - Goldberry of Withywindle - 02/11/03 02:54 PM
       This is kind of funny... - Zerubbabel - 02/12/03 10:45 AM
          Kline - joesnuff - 02/12/03 01:27 PM
             double post -nt- - Zerubbabel - 02/12/03 07:46 PM
             I thought I was... - Zerubbabel - 02/12/03 07:50 PM
    Fascinating - joesnuff - 02/11/03 09:56 PM
       Yep - Vogon Poet - 02/12/03 08:36 AM
       Somewhere in the middle, I guess. - Goldberry of Withywindle - 02/12/03 11:52 AM
       Re: Fascinating - filosofer - 02/20/03 03:02 PM
          Oops, looks like I'm already ahead - joesnuff - 02/20/03 08:10 PM
    Reminds me of El Nino. - ovbc - 02/12/03 01:39 PM
    Motel of the Mysteries - Vogon Poet - 02/12/03 03:14 PM
       I love that book! - Constance01 - 02/12/03 04:24 PM
          Oh, a Greenleafite, eh? - Goldberry of Withywindle - 02/12/03 06:04 PM
             It takes one to know one, wot wot? - Constance01 - 02/12/03 09:48 PM
       This sounds like "The We'ans" by Nathan Robert - moosebugs - 02/13/03 09:40 AM
    balance - olzeke - 02/12/03 05:59 PM
       Amen. - GildaVi - 02/12/03 07:03 PM
          re: amen - olzeke - 02/12/03 07:05 PM
    See DA Carson's classic: Exegetical Fallacies - The Gnu - 02/26/03 07:28 PM
    Words aren't bricks - N3ZR - 02/28/03 09:42 AM
Is a Catholic who Respects Reformed Allowed Here? - Dave G Armstrong - (24) - 02/28/03 09:32 AM
    I am not a High Muckety Muck, but.... - wormjacob - 02/21/03 12:37 PM
    No....go away - theophan(d) - 02/21/03 12:40 PM
       The man just gets here and you're pushing him toward . . . - The Clinging Vine - 02/21/03 07:15 PM
          ROFL FUNNY! Hi Anne. God bless you - Dave G Armstrong - 02/22/03 02:12 PM
    Welcome - Andy T - 02/21/03 12:52 PM
    Re: Is a Catholic who Respects Reformed Allowed Here? - GildaVi - 02/21/03 01:15 PM
    Welcome! - Paterculus - 02/21/03 02:52 PM
       I'm Truly Impressed by the Warm Welcome - Dave G Armstrong - 02/21/03 06:48 PM
    Welcome Aboard - Ambrosiaster - 02/21/03 07:18 PM
       Thanks HMM :-) - Dave G Armstrong - 02/22/03 02:21 PM
    Welcome, Dave - Nevski - 02/21/03 08:42 PM
       Just wondering . . . - GildaVi - 02/22/03 11:49 AM
          I read the descriptors myself - jetbrane - 02/22/03 02:09 PM
          I think both Nevski and I...... - Dave G Armstrong - 02/22/03 02:48 PM
       Thanx Nev! - Dave G Armstrong - 02/22/03 02:27 PM
    Hi Dave - Zerubbabel - 02/21/03 08:49 PM
    Hi. - Vogon Poet - 02/25/03 01:57 PM
       Hi Dave. Mihi pergratum est te convenire! - aragorn10027 - 02/25/03 05:39 PM
          Re: Hi Dave. Mihi pergratum est te convenire! - Dave G Armstrong - 02/25/03 07:50 PM
       Hi Keith. Nice to "meet" u. - Dave G Armstrong - 02/25/03 07:45 PM
          The strangeness of cyberspace - Vogon Poet - 02/25/03 08:34 PM
       Keith Mathison!!!! - calvinknox1647(d) - 02/28/03 01:53 AM
          if keith is coming to Philly - geoffrobinson - 02/28/03 07:48 AM
          Hi Wayne - Vogon Poet - 02/28/03 09:32 AM
Comments on Exodus 21:1-7 - Unregistered(d) - (4) - 02/27/03 11:07 PM
    Ask your wife. - kyriosity - 02/27/03 06:22 PM
    Re: Comments on Exodus 21:1-7 - Ambrosiaster - 02/27/03 08:47 PM
    Re: Comments on Exodus 21:1-7 - Hilasterion - 02/27/03 09:53 PM
    Re: Comments on Exodus 21:1-7 - Unregistered(d) - 02/27/03 11:07 PM
Historical Contingencies by Richard Pratt - Unregistered(d) - (15) - 02/26/03 09:06 PM
    Paging the Badger - cparks - 02/19/03 01:28 AM
    Thanks for linking this. - The Gnu - 02/19/03 03:45 PM
    Oh no, not this again - Ambrosiaster - 02/19/03 10:13 PM
       Re: Oh no, not this again - Perisseuo - 02/19/03 10:59 PM
          However. . . - Ambrosiaster - 02/19/03 11:38 PM
             Re: However... - Vogon Poet - 02/21/03 03:45 PM
                Re: However... - Ambrosiaster - 02/21/03 07:41 PM
                   I'm with you here - Paterculus - 02/24/03 02:45 AM
       The argument from prophecy - The Gnu - 02/24/03 08:09 PM
          Re: The argument from prophecy - Ambrosiaster - 02/24/03 08:29 PM
             Re: The argument from prophecy - Perisseuo - 02/24/03 09:32 PM
                I can't speak for Pratt - Ambrosiaster - 02/24/03 10:20 PM
                   Definition of Prophecy - Vogon Poet - 02/25/03 10:18 AM
                      Definitely!!! - Ambrosiaster - 02/26/03 09:06 PM
             Re: The argument from prophecy - The Gnu - 02/26/03 05:23 PM
Hot Topic w/ No New Posts On "having the gospel" - theophan(d) - (63) - 02/26/03 08:36 PM
    Re: On "having the gospel" - jetbrane - 02/23/03 12:12 AM
       Re: On "having the gospel" - theophan(d) - 02/23/03 10:55 AM
          "The gospel" is a short term - GildaVi - 02/23/03 11:57 AM
             You make an important point - Zerubbabel - 02/23/03 12:28 PM
                Dave makes an important point also - jetbrane - 02/23/03 01:49 PM
                   Re: Dave makes an important point also - wormjacob - 02/23/03 06:17 PM
                      An attempt - jetbrane - 02/23/03 06:46 PM
             "The Gospel" and the Bible - theophan(d) - 02/23/03 03:01 PM
                Re: "The Gospel" and the Bible - GildaVi - 02/23/03 06:14 PM
                   Re: "The Gospel" and the Bible - theophan(d) - 02/23/03 08:25 PM
                      Thanks for the lower case 'c' on catholic. - ovbc - 02/23/03 11:20 PM
                         Yeah. What he said. - GildaVi - 02/24/03 08:06 AM
                         Yeah, that's what the Wacked-Out Charismatics say. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 02/24/03 09:23 AM
                            And the wacked-out Lutherans, the wacked-out RCs, the... - ovbc - 02/24/03 09:38 AM
                               You forgot to mention the Wacked-Out Baptists. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 02/24/03 09:47 AM
                                  I thought you had already included us.... - ovbc - 02/24/03 10:34 AM
                                     Are all practices described in the Bible also prescribed? - Herr Doktor Logiker - 02/24/03 10:50 AM
                                        Good question. - ovbc - 02/24/03 01:15 PM
                                  In the end, humans' accountability is - GildaVi - 02/24/03 10:35 AM
                                     I never denied that the Holy Spirit can guide His sheep. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 02/24/03 10:53 AM
                                        Of no value for what? - GildaVi - 02/24/03 11:24 AM
                                           You apparently miss my point - Herr Doktor Logiker - 02/24/03 11:36 AM
                                              Re: You apparently miss my point - jetbrane - 02/24/03 11:47 AM
                                                 I'm not sure that solves the problem. - Unregistered(d) - 02/24/03 06:51 PM
                                                    Go read Jack's Thread on this issue - jetbrane - 02/24/03 07:20 PM
                                                    What's objective about - GildaVi - 02/24/03 07:20 PM
                                                       The visibility of the Church - Unregistered(d) - 02/24/03 07:30 PM
                                                          Well, the visibility that you describe - GildaVi - 02/24/03 07:46 PM
                                                             It is invisible to me! - Herr Doktor Logiker - 02/24/03 07:58 PM
                                                                Seek and you shall find - GildaVi - 02/24/03 08:11 PM
                                                             A little question-begging, eh? - Unregistered(d) - 02/24/03 09:58 PM
                                                                If you say so - GildaVi - 02/25/03 04:16 AM
                                                                   A good passage to show the Church is comprised . . . - The Clinging Vine - 02/25/03 09:10 AM
                                                                   It isn't either/or - Unregistered(d) - 02/25/03 10:21 AM
                                                    Can you say Honorius or Monothelite????? - jetbrane - 02/24/03 07:58 PM
                                                       "Honorius" "Monothelite" See? Nothing ha - Unregistered(d) - 02/24/03 09:31 PM
                                                          Re: "Honorius" "Monothelite" See? Nothin - jetbrane - 02/24/03 09:56 PM
                                                             Dialog by slogan, I see n/t - Unregistered(d) - 02/24/03 10:00 PM
                                                                No, just not worth arguing - Ambrosiaster - 02/24/03 10:33 PM
                                                                   That's a diatribe, not an argument - Unregistered(d) - 02/24/03 11:03 PM
                                                                      That's a Historical fact not a diatribe - jetbrane - 02/25/03 06:40 AM
                                                                      Actually, both - Ambrosiaster - 02/25/03 09:06 PM
                                                                   Re: No, just not worth arguing - wormjacob - 02/25/03 01:52 PM
                                                                      Apostolic succession is not Objective ... It is a myth - jetbrane - 02/25/03 02:34 PM
                                                                         Okay. So in place of a myth, use... - wormjacob - 02/25/03 02:46 PM
                                                                            Re: Okay. So in place of a myth, use... - GildaVi - 02/25/03 03:22 PM
                                                                               Re: Okay. So in place of a myth, use... - wormjacob - 02/25/03 06:14 PM
                                                                                  ..OK, so I should have read farther - Ambrosiaster - 02/25/03 09:18 PM
                                                                                  Further ponderings - GildaVi - 02/26/03 05:10 AM
                                                                      Holy Spirit guidance - Ambrosiaster - 02/25/03 08:55 PM
                                                                         Re: Holy Spirit guidance - wormjacob - 02/26/03 06:42 PM
                                                                            Re: Holy Spirit guidance - Ambrosiaster - 02/26/03 08:36 PM
                                              Well that's nothing new! - GildaVi - 02/24/03 12:01 PM
                                                 I love classical music. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 02/24/03 12:17 PM
                                                    YAY! Common ground! - GildaVi - 02/24/03 12:53 PM
                               plenty of saints willing to help/condemn - knowGod - 02/25/03 12:13 AM
                         "Catholic/catholic" is not an ecumenistic term - theophan(d) - 02/24/03 10:26 AM
                the missing letters and other mysteries - knowGod - 02/25/03 12:03 AM
                   not missing or mysterious - theophan(d) - 02/26/03 07:36 PM
          Re: On "having the gospel" - jetbrane - 02/23/03 04:32 PM
          I had the opposite reaction. - ovbc - 02/23/03 04:50 PM
             An opposite reaction to..... - theophan(d) - 02/23/03 05:49 PM
                Yeah right ... - jetbrane - 02/23/03 06:07 PM
Is your salvation known by introspection? - Herr Doktor Logiker - (8) - 02/26/03 08:12 PM
    The only thing we can know from introspection - GildaVi - 02/24/03 11:05 AM
       I doubt if you even know that by introspection. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 02/24/03 11:53 AM
          Which is why I said that it's apparently - GildaVi - 02/24/03 12:19 PM
             We at least agree we are dealing with the long-term thing. - Herr Doktor Logiker - 02/24/03 12:25 PM
                Thanks for the dialogue, and God bless you. - GildaVi - 02/24/03 12:58 PM
                Agreed too. But I also agree with this solution... - joesnuff - 02/26/03 08:09 PM
                   yep. indentation and cut and paste don't mix, - joesnuff - 02/26/03 08:12 PM
    Close enough for guv'mint work! - The Gnu - 02/26/03 06:57 PM
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